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Retirement taxes versus paycheque taxes

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I’ve talked about how to think about taxes in retirement before (and I re-read my post, it still holds up) but maybe something that isn’t clear how it differs from when you collected a steady paycheque.

The paycheque withholds tax et al at the source; retirement, maybe not

I think this is well understood. The government likes getting taxes all year round, not just in April. And so part of your paycheque is remitted to the government — taxes, yes, but also CPP/EI contributions and all that stuff that no longer applies when you stop collecting a paycheque.

Withholding tax is an excellent example of the “pay yourself first” principle popularized by The Wealthy Barber. You never see the money, so you sort-of forget it’s yours. Anyway, all things being equal, the withholding amounts should be pretty close to correct, but there are all kinds of things that can throw off the calculation: bonuses, charitable giving, and RRSP contributions are the main ones. I never quite understood people who were happy to get a tax refund. That’s your money you’re getting back, and you’ve given the government an interest free loan.

Anyway, in retirement, this may not be the case:

  • If you pay yourself RRIF minimum (as I do) then there is no tax withheld at source. Of course, you can take MORE than RRIF minimum, in which case you will experience withholding tax, just like the bad old days when you were working.
  • If you pay yourself from non-registered investments (as I do), you’re likely creating taxable income if you’re selling assets that have increased in value. And that taxable income contributes to (surprise, surprise) your tax bill. Now it bears repeating that only half of your capital gains attract the CRA’s attention: the other half, and the money you put in, are all yours to keep, tax-free.
  • And of course T-slip capital gains, interest income and dividend income isn’t taxed at the source either. All of it must be accounted for at tax time.

The implication of all this is that you have to be ready to pay some of your retirement salary back to the CRA. I have a special Wealthsimple savings account1 that I contribute to monthly; I “self-withhold” about 15% of my salary, fully expecting to drain this account come tax time2.

You care less about marginal tax rates, and more about overall tax rates

In case you weren’t aware, not every dollar you make is taxed the same way. Canada has tax brackets; each tax bracket has its own tax rate. Thanks to taxtips.ca, you can get a combined federal/provincial look for how your income is taxed:

This table (and most tables like it) are showing marginal rates. The marginal rate is the tax rate charged on the income that sits above the floor of the tax bracket. Lots of people mix up the idea of marginal rates versus overall tax rates. Let’s take a simple example of someone who is drawing a salary or getting their income from a RRIF: both are taxed as “other income” in the table above:

  • Net income: $50,0003. Tax bill: 19.05%*$50000=$9525. In this example, there is no difference between your marginal rate and your overall rate.
  • Net income: $55,000. Tax bill: $9525 on the first $50,0004, and 23.15%*$5000=$1,157.50 on the remainder. Your total tax bill in this case is therefore $9525+$1157.50=$10,682.50. Your marginal rate is 23.15%, but your overall rate is much lower: $10682.50/$55000=19.4%.

My financial advisor I hired pre-retirement suggested I should target a 15% marginal tax rate, blended between my spouse and I. That’s not easy to do on RRIF payments alone, but then of course you have to consider other income sources like capital gains and dividends.

Non-registered investments can pay a salary; but tax treatment is quite different

So I look for my non-registered investments to generous returns — whether those are capital gains or dividends is unimportant. From a tax perspective, capital gains are especially weird because when you’re paying yourself by selling assets, you are typically earning MORE than “just” the capital gain (i.e. the part that is taxable) part. An example may help.

Let’s say you bought $10000 of XEQT in January 2023. As of today (October 22), it would be worth $200005:

And say you sold it all on October 22m — you’d have $20000 in your bank account. Hooray. CRA would say you made a capital gain of $10000. So if that represented your whole taxable 2026 income, that would attract a tax bill of 9.53%*$10000 =$953.00. Thinking about overall rather than marginal tax rates, you’d therefore have an overall tax rate of $953/$20000 = 4.7%! Pretty sweet.

If instead that $20000 was a RRIF withdrawal, and you had no other taxable income, CRA would present you a tax bill of 19.05%*$20000=$3,810.00, an overall tax rate of 19.05%,

Maybe you’re counting on your non-registered investments generating $20,000 of dividends instead. This generates an overall tax credit in this case6!

Retirees are obsessed with how much tax they pay

Since taxes tend to be your single biggest expense in retirement, I understand why. I try to be smart without going to extreme lengths; as I learned managing my parents’ estate, there’s either going to be a tax bill while you’re alive, or a much larger one when you’re dead. Taxes you avoid in the early years of retirement are either going to come due once you start collecting CPP/OAS7, or when you’re dead. RRIFs8 and non-registered accounts are considered liquidated on the day of death, attracting all the income/capital gains in one calendar year, and hence the highest possible tax bracket.

  1. This account does NOT factor into my net-worth calculations. I’ve already, in effect, written it off. ↩︎
  2. And in my case, this I expect will start to be every quarter as I’ll shift to paying tax in instalments. Oh well. ↩︎
  3. Net income is lower than your salary, since everyone has (at least) the personal deduction. ↩︎
  4. using the calculation above ↩︎
  5. And doubling your money in less than 4 years is an excellent argument for holding equities. (Of course, you’ll all be crowing when the floor eventually falls out, but equities do outperform over time…) ↩︎
  6. If you’re in a lower tax bracket, it’s hard to beat dividends. They start to become less efficient as you climb the brackets, especially if you’re collecting OAS since grossed up amount of dividends are use to test eligibility for OAS. ↩︎
  7. OAS clawback is a particular obsession of the retired. ↩︎
  8. Unless you declare your spouse as a successor annuitant; you’ve already done that, right? ↩︎

Death, Taxes and Estates: Endgame part 1

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I’ve had the dubious privilege of serving as the executor of the estate of my late mother, who was predeceased by my father. I’ve been documenting my journey along the way (previous instalment here).

This instalment is subtitled “Endgame” because late last week I received a Clearance Certificate from CRA. The Clearance Certificate allows me as the executor to distribute the funds in the estate to the beneficiaries without worrying that the CRA will come knocking on my door at some future date looking for taxes1.

So now it is time to move money around from estate to beneficiaries, close accounts and shred the piles of paper in the filing cabinet. Money exists in three places: a CIBC bank account (not an estate account), a CIBC estate account, and in a BMO Investorline estate account.

CIBC Bank Account

Thanks to the advice of a friend who went through this before me, I had a joint chequing account with my mother. It was her account, and I never touched it, but when she died, the account became mine completely, no different than the other chequing account I hold at CIBC. This arrangement proved very handy in the early days of the estate, as I was able to pay funeral expenses out of this account without being out of pocket myself. The balance was low here, and a few e-Transfers to the beneficiaries later, the funds were cleared. A call to CIBC telephone banking (a surprisingly painless experience), and this account was closed from the comfort of my couch.

BMO Investorline

The vast majority of the estate funds are held at BMO Investorline, since I was acting as my parents’ DIY advisor for about 10 years. When my mother died, her RRIF and TFSA passed to her beneficiaries outside of the probate process (you’ve done this, right? Read more here). Her non-registered funds were converted into a brand new estate account and all the assets were transferred in kind. I could not access this account until I had a probated will. With full access, I eventually converted all the holdings into non-interest bearing cash; all that happened over a year ago (December 2024, to be exact). The account has been largely dormant since then, although I did pay the whopping tax bill for my mother’s Final Return2 from it.

Moving the funds out of BMO Investorline couldn’t be easier; thanks to their AccountLink service, you can write cheques against the cash balance held in your non-registered Investorline account. They do charge $1 for each transaction after the first 2 in any calendar month, so I have to make sure I leave enough cash behind to deal with that3.

CIBC Estate Account

Estate accounts are required to deposit cheques made out to the estate. One possible source of such a payment is CRA4, the other is death benefits from CPP/QPP and/or life insurance policies. My experience with the creation and management of a CIBC estate account was a total disaster. Something that should be relatively straightforward is inexplicably very labour intensive. The reasons are probably only knowable to CIBC, but I’ll give my perspective here:

  • The workflow has not been updated in decades. Opening an estate account required me to make an appointment at the bank. At this appointment, I sat in a chair in an office while I watched the bank employee type my information into some sort of online form. My involvement at this meeting was limited to producing a death certificate and repeating answers to questions that the bank already had in their systems (my name/address etc etc).
  • The branch employees do not understand how estate accounts work and they rely on a centrally located help desk to guide them through the process. I know this because the branch employee inadvertently gave me the number to this help desk and the very helpful employee I spoke to there was confused that a customer rather than a branch was calling.
  • There are no electronic records, no electronic access to estate accounts. Deposit a cheque? Visit the bank. Want the balance? Visit the bank. It’s all very circa 1970.
  • And, lastly, for all this, they have the gall to charge a $5 monthly service fee for “record keeping”.

Anyway, I am guessing that all the major banks are terrible with estates, but it’s hard to imagine a worse experience than with CIBC.

So, to close this account, I need an appointment (of course). The soonest one I could get at my local branch was a week away. I’ve compiled all the materials needed to unlock the funds (probated will, death certificate, blood sample) so I’m hoping this is a “one and done” kind of visit, but I’m not holding my breath on that one.

What’s especially annoying about the estate account is that it has a relatively small amount of money in it, growing smaller monthly thanks to the monthly service fee.

But this chapter is nearly over. Make no mistake, serving as an executor is a lot of work and requires a lot of patience.

  1. Per https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/tax/individuals/life-events/doing-taxes-someone-died/clearance-certificate.html: A clearance certificate will allow you, as the legal representative, to distribute assets without the risk of being personally responsible for unpaid amounts the person who died, estate, trust, or corporation might owe to the CRA. ↩︎
  2. RRIFs and non-registered accounts generate a lot of tax since they are assumed to be sold and converted to income in the hands of the account holder on the day of death. It’s nearly unavoidable, but I wrote a bit about reducing that tax bomb here. ↩︎
  3. I can only imagine how much work it would be should I end up needing to clear a negative balance in a BMO Investorline Estate account. I wouldn’t know where to begin, ↩︎
  4. In my case, the estate tax return had a refund. Not really sure why, one would have presumed that paying thousands of dollars to an accountant would result in a penny-perfect return, but you’d evidently be wrong about that. ↩︎